Rant on Atheism and Misogyny
Recently, someone asked me a question about atheism and I had to explain it the same way I always have to explain it to religious folks. I have to explain that atheism simply means no belief in god or gods and that I am not a follower of someone like Charles Darwin or well-known modern atheists like Dawkins, Hitchens or sleight-of-hand artist James Randi and I have absolutely nothing in common with them apart from the acknowledgement that there is no god. The whole thing made me think about this patriarchal Cult of Atheism, which has grown since the days when Madalyn Murray O’Hair first began her discussions about this subject in the 1950s.
Atheism really shouldn’t be a cult. Atheism should be about free thinking, which is the antithesis of cultism. Yet, these dogmatic atheistic cults have sprung up with a bunch of old, white men – men who are extremely hostile toward women, by the way – as their leadership.
Why is it that so often it is women who invent, create, innovate and revolutionize and then those women are completely forgotten and some white man is put out in front? Ruth Drown invents radionics, but Dr. Abrams usually gets the credit and her name, her genius and her personal trials and sacrifices are forgotten. Annie Besant was the first quantum physicist, but Werner Heisenberger’s dubious experiment (if you read his story, it makes no sense whatsoever) earns him all the credit for this discovery. A woman, who is maligned by the church and by society, naturally comes up with the Atheist movement, she is murdered (by a man) and a series of repulsive white men take her place and now it is as if she never existed.
It’s especially odd where these modern men atheists are concerned because they wouldn’t exist without O’Hair (or their own mothers, of course) who really defined atheism and even dared to use the word when no one else did, yet every time I hear one of these guys in a YouTube clip they are spouting off about the intellectual inferiority of women. They even try to say that their misogyny has a scientific basis because orthodox science is their new god and they don’t know the difference between real science and pseudo-scientific nonsense – nor do they seem to understand the difference between “theory” and “fact” or “working theory” and “proven” fact. That’s how stupid they are. But, they think they’re smart and their sycophantic, mostly dick-dangling followers must certainly agree.
Somewhere online I saw someone ask, “Why aren’t there more women atheists?” I think there are plenty. Women have far more reason than men to question the status quo. After all, it is god by any name and religion which has been used as an excuse to subjugate, torture and murder us and otherwise deprive us of basic human rights for thousands of years. But, it is for this same reason that women have to be more careful. Crimes against women are not taken seriously and if you are not a Christian wife and mother, crimes against you are pretty much irrelevant. Case in evidence, when O’Hair was murdered, no one was anxious to investigate – they didn’t really care because she was a woman with a differing opinion who dared to express it and it was about 10 years before anyone bothered to seriously look into the crime. So, while there are plenty of women who are atheists, you won’t hear as much out of them (unless they are anonymous, as I am).
Just as witches are persecuted, so are atheists and many women like myself disguise ourselves and we don’t talk about things like atheism or anything that goes outside the established Christian norm. It is not easy for a man to go out of lockstep, but it is truly dangerous for women, who are already targeted just because they are women.
So, insecure old white men have taken over popular atheism, ridiculed women and while I thought it was pretty obvious all along that mainstream atheism was rife with misogyny this all came to a head over a simple incident in 2011 dubbed “Elevatorgate,” which served to bring these misogynistic cockroaches out into the light of day for all to see. As a result, women rightly formed their own group called “Atheism-plus.” I don’t know much about these people, except that they are a special group of atheists for women and others who are subjected to bigotry and violence, but I hope the plus, also, stand for questioning other aspects of the status quo and not just replacing an invisible god-man in the sky with some deeply insecure and none-too-bright, old white guys.
It is difficult to imagine questioning the existence of god without questioning every other thing around us. But, these old white guys appear to be what in psy-ops is called “controlled opposition.” In other words, they are an oppo-same, something that appears to be the opposite of something else but is, in fact, the very same thing by an opposite-sounding name. They may exist and may even be funded by governments so that the questioning involved in atheism doesn’t get too far out of hand. At least, if you look at the drivel that comes out of them, you will find a lot of the status quo. All they have done is taken god out, but they’ve left every other horrible and stupid thing imaginable in.
No intelligent person wants to be a part of that kind of atheism. This is another reason you see so few women involved in mainstream atheism.
Another reason is that if you are a woman and you don’t tow the party line of these mainstream atheists, you will not be part of the group for long. All the women I’ve heard who are involved with mostly white, male dominated public atheist groups are proponents of the patriarchy. They put forth extremely unscientific ideas, for example, the silly notion that women are more emotional and men are more logical. Of course, there is no scientific basis for this whatsoever and it is an inherently misogynistic, ridiculous idea that is obviously intended to put women down and keep them there.
The absurd belief in Darwinism is part of the dogma of many atheistic groups and most of the old white men at the fore of popular atheism accept this notion. They completely misunderstand Darwin’s work, which was mainly a classification system and really a set of dodgy theories to begin with, and apply it to social relationships in much the same way The Secret/Law of Attraction folks try to apply non-existent quantum physics theories to social relationships. In this way, the modern atheistic cult looks a lot like a New Age cult. Their silly belief in Darwinism and (perhaps intentional) misunderstanding of his work may be the foundation for much of their misogyny because they literally believe the physically larger and stronger of a species is in every way superior. By this logic, a 5′ 10″ man is superior to a 5′ tall woman and, therefore, has the right by natural law to destroy her. This is another way in which the Cult of Atheism that these men have established resembles a religion – it is in no way rational.
Although the idea of social Darwinism has been discredited (it was always discredited, it’s just that some of these old geezers started writing about the undeniable stupidity of it) and some of these old white men have spoken out against its application in politics, the residue of these 19th century ideas remains in the mainstream atheistic cults. So, while these men may acknowledge its absurdity out of one side of their mouths, they continue to communicate their belief in social Darwinism in other ways, particularly in relation to their disdain of women. (You will hear this belief in social Darwinism freely flowing out of their own stupid mouths in the video clips below.)
Much like Christian religious zealots, they take the theories of men like Darwin or Einstein and try to make them fit into their own pre-conceived paradigm, then say, “There, you see, proof!” And, again, it is easy to see why no really intelligent people would want anything to do with it – especially women.
By the way, my rejection of Darwinism does not automatically make me a “creationist.” There are other possibilities, but you wouldn’t know it if you talk to either the Jesus Brigade or the Atheist Cult members. This is another point that makes me say these established atheistic cults may be controlled opposition; this is exactly the M.O. of those who construct psychological warfare operations. They know that most people, especially the heavily religiously programmed, are simple-mindedly dualistic: “Oh, you don’t believe in Darwin’s theories, then you must be a Creationist” and vice versa. Genuine free thought will take you out of that mode of existence. These old white men may be atheists, but they are obviously not free thinkers.
Below are some examples of these mainstream atheist pigs with their heads flapping. Just a few seconds of this and you can see why women are not involved – they are not wanted, they are hated. And, this is why Atheism-plus was formed. I should point out that Rebecca Watson, who is the subject of so much white, male wrath below, is both an atheist and a skeptic and these are not the same thing. I have some serious criticism of the skeptic movement, too, which is mainly that they are not nearly skeptical enough and do not do enough of their own research. Nonetheless, what happened to Watson at the hands of these old geezers, other atheist men and some women with Stockholm Syndrome is pretty stunning. All she did was post a vlog asking somewhat humorously for men at events not to jump into elevators with strange women in the middle of the night and proposition them – a reasonable enough request and one you’d think would not need to be stated. This one comment of hers led to a huge, heaping amount of hatred and misogyny being dumped on her and women, in general. If you are unfamiliar with Elevatorgate, you can get up to speed here: Elevatorgate 2013 Edition (http://furiouspurpose.me/elevatorgate-2013-edition/)
Although, their behavior is less of a surprise when you hear these swine, who are the leaders of the atheist cult, open their mouths and squeal in the clips below.
This addle-brained, old swine called Noam Chomsky implies that women are not capable of coming up with any genuine scientific theories:
In the following video another prominent atheist, Peter Singer, defends bestiality (sexual violence against animals) and necrophilia (the Green River Killer was an example of this, he murdered women, then went back to have sex with their corpses). He argues that raping animals is all right as long as it is “consensual,” of course, much like minors and women who have been drugged unconscious, animals cannot consent to have sex with men. Imagine being a woman part of any organization where this guy would be a speaker or a member and you would have to be in the same room with him!:
Prominent white, male atheist says rape may be moral under certain circumstances:
Christopher Hitchens just can’t stop with the misogyny in this video and includes some bizarre assumptions for a guy who claims to hold a scientific world-view. This moron is presently considered to be one of the top atheists in the English-speaking world!:
In 2007, this same misogynist, who can’t stop thinking with his smaller head, wrote an article about how women are not funny that revolves around his and other men’s need to get laid. “Why aren’t there more women in atheism?” you ask. Well, I’m sure women just can’t wait to associate themselves with this and all the other highly intellectual and scientifically-grounded ideas this stupid prick and his cult members have to offer. Here’s the article from Vanity Fair no less, http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701, followed by this video in which he elaborates further on why women are idiots incapable of making jokes and should just remain as sexual objects to flatter men by laughing at their funniness. I hope you haven’t just eaten lunch. Take note not only of his stomach-turning misogyny, but his special hatred directed at lesbians. Here it is:
Richard Dawkins, who is regarded by many people as a top atheist and philosopher, wrote a misogynistic message to Rebecca Watson (who goes by Skepchick). You will find information here (and all over the web): http://homebrewedtheology.com/richard-dawkins-shows-his-misogynistic-side.php The following is a video response that explains some of the issues surrounding Elevatorgate:
Rebecca Watson’s (Skepchicks) original video, which caused so much controversy. You will probably wonder why if you watch it. The extremely vitriolic, anti-woman hatred that followed was out of all proportion:
This is very good commentary on the formation of Atheism+ by a very smart woman at YouTube who is neither an atheist nor a witch to my knowledge. She points out that if this were any other group but women leaving, there wouldn’t be a fuss and asks why. After much consideration and after being bitten by men in five different states and being treated like a walking slab of meat, I conclude that it is because we are literally some kind of food to them. They don’t want to lose their supply of women to abuse, threaten and assault. This video, also, discusses the problem of atheistic women not wanting to be a part of a movement that expresses so much violence and hatred against themselves:
Very good commentary from an atheist on Atheism+ and what atheism means to her. Her commentary, also, explains why many women, especially poor women and those living in Christian dominated areas, are not vocal. She talks about what has happened to her when she didn’t pretend to be a Christian:
Unfortunately, some good videos on Elevatorgate, especially those defending Watson or discussing the problem of misogyny in the popular atheist movement have been made private or have disappeared, altogether. Like other social media websites, YouTube is dominated by MRAs and other misogynists and it is likely these women have been threatened or harassed into silence.
This woman talks about her experience being assaulted at a conference (TAM) and reporting the crime to the conference organizers. She asks if anyone else has ever experienced such a thing at a conference. I have been to two different types of alternative science conferences and I have never experienced anything like this, whatsoever – not even inappropriate conversation, nothing. But, alternative science is not mainstream science and we are not keepers of the status quo. Maybe this is the difference:
It Stands to Reason, Skeptics Can Be Sexist Too” I spoke out about sexual harassment among atheists and scientists. Then came the rape threats. Slate, Rebecca Watson, Oct. 24, 2012. What this article illustrates is exactly why you see so few women in public atheism or anywhere else. And, the environment for women is getting worse – not better. This article shows why anonymity is important for women on the web and why some of us adopt male User IDs and pen names. The fact is a woman’s mere existence seems to be grounds for stalking, harassment, threats and violence and there is no redress. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/10/sexism_in_the_skeptic_community_i_spoke_out_then_came_the_rape_threats.single.html
This is what happens to girls and women who openly discuss atheism. In this instance, the victim is a 15-year old girl: http://skepchick.org/2011/12/reddit-makes-me-hate-atheists/
Misogynists can think women are tasty, while not recognizing that they are human beings, FreethougtBlogs, Pharyngula,
A Woman’s Place: The Dearth of Women in the Secular Movement. This excellent article by Susan Jacoby points out, among other things, that women have a fight on two fronts: Misogyny and Religious Dominance. She used different words, of course, but the reason for fewer women in public atheism may be that many have gravitated toward feminism to fight the even more immediate and daily threat of misogyny: http://thehumanist.org/september-october-2012/a-woman%E2%80%99s-place-the-dearth-of-women-in-the-secular-movement/
Discussions on Misogyny and Atheism at the Ex-Mormon.org discussion board. Note: A very large number of ex-Mormons, especially women, are atheists, so this is a relevant discussion to Mormonism despite what the moderator says before these discussions are shut down. Before any ex-Mormons reading this step into that forum, let me warn you they have some really wicked moderators who allow abuses of women to go on there. At least, that happened to me there several years ago. Mormonism is extremely misogynistic (a fact that could not possibly be over-stated) and just because they are “exes” doesn’t mean they have automatically stopped hating women. They’re only “recovering.” So, be warned and if you do step in, as always, never give real info. about yourself and be prepared for stalkers and abuses if you make a statement out of lockstep. #1: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,960677,960777 and #2: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,960830,960830
100 of Britain and Ireland’s Secular Thinkers You Should Know About Who Are Not White Men. You’ll notice that the first one on the list, a woman, is living under police protection. : http://www.alexgabriel.co.uk/post/56974587847/100-of-britain-and-ireland-s-secular-thinkers-you
Releasing the Truth: Rebecca Watson (Skepchick) on sexual harassment and rape threats coming from skeptics and atheists. This article asks the question: Is organized atheism a hate group? If you listen to the rhetoric of the old white men at the fore of popular atheism, you will see that it is very similar to that of the anti-woman hate group called the Men’s Rights Movement. http://releasingthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/rw/
Subversive Thinking: Rebecca Watson (Skepchick) on sexual harassment and rape threats coming from skeptics and atheists. Evidence suggestive of organized skeptics as a HATE group. This article asks pretty much the same question as the previous one. http://subversivethinking.blogspot.com/2012/11/rebecca-watson-skepchick-on-sexual.html
Subversive Thinking: Militant atheism, organized skepticism and immorality: misogyny and sexism: The case of Rebecca Watson (SkepChick) and other examples of atheistic-skeptical morality. This article asks questions about misogyny, sexism and immorality among organized atheist and skeptic groups. As the author points out, atheists are considered the most untrustworthy group of people. Considering that these old white men are the examples constantly trotted out before the public, is it any wonder?! Furthermore, it is no wonder that most women do not want to be a part of so much perversion and casual promotion of violence, especially against themselves:
The Beast: God is Not a Fan of the Ladies. This article is mostly about misogyny in the popular atheist movement and makes the pretty valid point that secularism makes religion look more hospitable for many women. http://buffalobeast.com/13799/
Atheists Address Sexism Issues, USA Today, Kimberly Winston, 9-15-2011: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-09-15/atheist-sexism-women/50416454/1
In the video below, Annie Laurie Gaylor talks about the relationship between feminism and free thought. She talks about the foundational role of atheist women in some waves of the Women’s Movement and vice versa. Feminism, which is about human rights, is closely intertwined with atheism:
Update of August 15, 2013
Since I first published this article, there have been some new developments with regard to reports of sexual assault and rape at various atheist and sketic-related conferences. It looks like someone is being threatened with legal action for mentioning a particular speaker who is rumored to engage in sex assault. Therefore, some of these links may not be stable, meaning the authors of those articles may remove them due to threatened legal action. I’m not going to describe these events, but I am putting links below so you can do your own research. This is exactly why many women, myself included, would not go near one of these conferences. Can you imagine being either a speaker or an attendee at one of these events without a full-time bodyguard? Read for yourself – note the articles are mostly listed below in reverse-chronological order, so you can see the development of these related events:
@karenstollznow: “I’m Sick of Talking About Sexual Harassment,” Atheism, Music and More…,republished on August 12, 2013 (Article content originally published on August, 6, 2013 in the Scientific American, but subsequently removed.) http://natehevens.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/karenstollznow-im-sick-of-talking-about-sexual-harassment/#more-1339
A cached version of the original article from Scientific American with comments in tact may still be found here: http://www.scrible.com/contentview/page/24IG1900IK14P2M300C3G0BQ4KA426A3:40191410/index.html?utm_source=tb_permalink&utm_medium=permalink&utm_campaign=tb_buttons&_sti=671497
The original article was apparently removed by Scientific American after they were contacted by this guy : http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/what_i_wrote_to_scientific_american/
“Sexual harassment accusations in the skeptical and secular communities: a timeline of major events,” FreethoughtBlogs, LousyCanuck, August 12. 2013:
Carrie Poppy Tells All, Pharyngula, FreethoughtBlogs, August 7, 2013: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/07/carrie-poppy-tells-all/
What do you do when someone pulls the pin and hands you a grenade? Pharyngula, FreethoughtBlogs, August 8, 2013: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/08/what-do-you-do-when-someone-pulls-the-pin-and-hands-you-a-grenade/
“Karen Stollznow on “predator” Benjamin Radford: On more evidence of misogyny, sexism and sexual problems in the Organized Skeptical Community. Atheist cowardice against women,” Subversive Thinking, August 12, 2013, http://subversivethinking.blogspot.com/2013/08/karen-stollznow-on-predator-benjamin.html
“Finally, more people are waking up to @elevatorGATE’s abuse,” Freethoughblogs, Pharyngula, August, 13, 2013:
The man at the center of things in the “Karen Stollznow” link above who is quoted as saying that atheism is “a guy thing”: The Delicate Ego of Mr Michael Shermer, January 16, 2013: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/01/16/the-delicate-ego-of-mr-michael-shermer/
Dealing with badly behaving speakers, BlagHag, FreethoughtBlogs, May 22, 2012: http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/05/dealing-with-badly-behaving-speakers/
(Added on August 26, 2013) “Conference anti-harassment campaigns do work: Three existence proofs from SF&F, atheism/skepticism, and open source,” The Ada Initiative: Supporting women in open technology and culture, This article details how reporting harassment at conferences of any kind, putting in place anti-sexual harassment policies and enforcing them actually works. Women’s participation in a particular conference that had been experiencing a problem was up considerably after harassment problems were taken seriously and the perverts and attackers were ousted from the group. This article describes very well the chronology of events we see above. Women begin by quietly warning each other about various potential attackers, then eventually reports are made public and a backlash occurs including threats, then if there is enough support and a good system is put in place for dealing with these threats to women, more women end up attending conferences and the offenders are banned: https://adainitiative.org/2013/08/conference-anti-harassment-campaigns-do-work-three-existence-proofs-from-sff-atheismskepticism-and-open-source/
(Added on August 27, 2013) Now, if you’ve read all of this and are still asking yourself the question, “Why aren’t there more women in the popular atheist movement?” then, check out this article from the Houston Chronicle from May 15, 2013, entitled, “Female atheists fight for equality,” Especially check out the comments section which if full of rape apology and comments about women invading a man’s domain. It will have you asking the question, “Is this 2013 or 1613?”: http://blog.chron.com/sacredduty/2013/05/female-atheists-fight-for-equality-in-freethought-movement/
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